how tough is the Ghost Rider ?

is Ghost Rider as tough as Thor ?

can he lift 100 tons ?

is he invulnerable ?

he seems like the only thing that can withstand a nuclear bomb ?

if ghost rider was in kingdom come, he would be the other person left standing after the bomb struck, besides superman

what is your take ?

i dunno if he can lift 100 tons; but he seems to be magical so he could probably survive an a-bomb, like dr.strange the sorceror supreme. thor contained an a-bomb with his hammer a few months ago.

No. He was hurt by the sting of one of Swarm's oversized bees, for instance.

Nope. Probably Class 25.

Nope. Pretty resistant to injuries, and recovers unnaturally quickly, too.

Why so? Thor or Hulk, I can see, but Ghost Rider is nowhere near that level of invulnerability.

I don't think so.

The Zaranthos/Blaze version of Ghost Rider IS that invulnerable. There is no human flesh to be harmed in this version of GR.

Certainly the version of Zarathos that existed towards the end of the original run (from about issue 68 through to 81) was that invulnerable and indeed also gave Thor reason to pause in an issue of The Avengers - which, by the way, also showed Thor taking the hellfire and emerging very much unaffected.

But then those issues are amongst my favorite of all Marvels - the full realization of a character. Pity it got the axe just as it was getting interesting. Great stories, excellent artwork.....just what you want. And still no essentials for ole Zarathos, but then Mackie pretty much sealed that by taking a good concept and (as per his norm) totally stuffing it up.

Really? That is not what I figured from the stories. Was that some sort of retcon?

And what happens to Blaze's body when he is in Rider mode? Has this been established?

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Yeah, but a nuclear bomb can reduce one's bones to fine black powder just like it can one's flesh. Unless the demons raised li'l Zarathos in *nuclear* hellfire (which we can't rule out, can we, because it would have happened off-panel), he's as susceptible to a nuclear blast as any humanoid would be.

Rated at 'Class 10' by Spider-Man himself once (in an Amazing Spider-Man Annual feature way back when, in which he rated the Marvel super heroes for strength). And not as agile as Spidey, but better at shooting flames and taking a punch to the jaw.

It depended on who was drawing ole Zarathos at the time. Artists like Carmine Infantino almost always drew him with a human neck, others like Jim Starlin and Mike Ploog weren't overly sure with his neck either being human, bone or merely covered up from panel to panel. But for my blood Bob Budiansky nailed the character by drawing him as bone with his hellfire filling out the leathers (and let's avoid the mention of the layout artist of Vol 1 # 57!). Don Perlin also changed from time to time, but on the whole he drew Zarathos as having a bone neck (ie: no flesh).

Went to the same place as the Hulk's mass I guess. When Zarathos appeared Blaze was relegated to the corners of the shared mind - which always led me to think that a retcon could have been done whereby the entire series was a figment of Blaze's imagination, but hopefulkly that'll be left alone.

Not that I can find. But then I could care less for anything that was produced past the original run - the GR that appeared in the 90's wasn't the one, true Zarathos.

That's besides the point. The Zaranthos/Ghost Rider of the last 15 or so issues of the original run didn't have ANY parts that were human. Flesh.....bone.... it doesn't matter. The only way the 'body' could be destroyed would be by a method directed by Mephisto, (then) Satan or (now) Daimon Hellstrom. It it could be just as easily recreated if it was destroyed. Sure Dr. Strange MIGHT be able to banish Zaranthos to some far-off dimension, but that'd be about it. (Hmmm Adam Warlock could have probably absorbed him into the green Soul Gem back in those days as well).

Remember the recurring character in DC's third Demon series? His name was 'The Thing That Cannot Die'. No matter how many times he was chopped up, blown to bits or cooked in a micro (the latter was performed compliments of Etrigan) he always emerged unharmed. He had no other real powers, other than he was a demon and 'could not die'. Zaranthos' past appearances have proven (to me anyway) that he is that powerful. I don't believe the physical form of Zaranthos would be affected by a nuclear explosion. If my ANY change it would be damaged, I believe the demon form would merely be recreated or regenerated on the spot or elsewhere.

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Well, actually, I have the same powers as Zarathos. If you destroy *my* body in a nuclear bomb blast, my spirit will go to the afterlife the same way the spirit of Zarathos would, and it will get out to ravage the Earth again just as soon as I can convince a lord of the afterlife to give me a new body. And I might actually be *more* convincing in this than Zarathos would, because he's made a lot of enemies among the demons.